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Post by chris777 on Feb 20, 2010 10:29:55 GMT -5
I just found out that the name Adolf means "Noble Wolf" Its a shame that we had a really bad Adolf in this world. The bad Adolf from this world is the complete opposite of Lone Wolf and if anything, our bad Adolf had the characteristics that some of the Lone Wolf main villains had such as Vonotar or Vashna or Gnagg. If we didn't have such a bad Adolf in our world than Adolf might be a good real name for Lone Wolf since it does mean, "Noble Wolf," Unfortunately the name is now ruined. I do think Lone Wolf's real name, Landar, was a good choice. Although there isn't, to my knowledge, and really bad Adolfs in the world of Magnamund, considering our history Adolf would be a good real name for Wolfsbane, the evil Lone Wolf clone.
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Post by zipp on Feb 20, 2010 16:14:52 GMT -5
I just found out that the name Adolf means "Noble Wolf" Its a shame that we had a really bad Adolf in this world. The bad Adolf from this world is the complete opposite of Lone Wolf and if anything, our bad Adolf had the characteristics that some of the Lone Wolf main villains had such as Vonotar or Vashna or Gnagg. If we didn't have such a bad Adolf in our world than Adolf might be a good real name for Lone Wolf since it does mean, "Noble Wolf," Unfortunately the name is now ruined. I do think Lone Wolf's real name, Landar, was a good choice. Although there isn't, to my knowledge, and really bad Adolfs in the world of Magnamund, considering our history Adolf would be a good real name for Wolfsbane, the evil Lone Wolf clone. An interesting discovery. Oddly enough, I would say that Hitler was actually quite a lot like Lone Wolf. He was someone who felt that his life had been taken away from him by circumstances, was raised to hero status by his country, and then proceeded to fight what he considered the forces of evil. Lone Wolf's main distinction was that everyone agreed that what he was doing was right. In another world (and to some people in this one) Hitler would be considered a hero. Not to me, mind you, but it is an interesting relativistic way of looking at things and it's always important to be aware of the relative nature of our world. |
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Post by Maerin on Feb 20, 2010 19:06:58 GMT -5
Unfortunately, it does require some painful contortions to sustain any comparison between Adolf Hitler and Lone Wolf aside from the rudiments you mention, zipp. If Hitler really had served his country in the same fashion and spirit that Lone Wolf served Sommerlund, the world and the twentieth century might have proven a very different place. It was that fashion and spirit that marks what is, in the end, the profoundest difference between Hitler and Lone Wolf.
And, for the sake of it, there were plenty of Adolf's in history who were much, much better people. And not a few that might make fairly decent comparisons with Lone Wolf.
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Post by zipp on Feb 20, 2010 20:41:05 GMT -5
Unfortunately, it does require some painful contortions to sustain any comparison between Adolf Hitler and Lone Wolf aside from the rudiments you mention, zipp. If Hitler really had served his country in the same fashion and spirit that Lone Wolf served Sommerlund, the world and the twentieth century might have proven a very different place. It was that fashion and spirit that marks what is, in the end, the profoundest difference between Hitler and Lone Wolf. And, for the sake of it, there were plenty of Adolf's in history who were much, much better people. And not a few that might make fairly decent comparisons with Lone Wolf. My point is, the only thing that makes a hero a hero is that the majority of people agree he's a hero. |
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Post by jan on Feb 21, 2010 5:32:47 GMT -5
This is a ridiculous comparison, Zipp.
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Post by Al on Feb 21, 2010 13:38:52 GMT -5
This is a ridiculous comparison, Zipp. Agreed - this takes relativism to the level of the absurd. |
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Post by Aguila Saber on Feb 21, 2010 17:18:30 GMT -5
There is a distinction to me made between hero and villain.
A hero always acts for some greater form or purpose of good, or sometimes just for the good of everyone.
A.H. usually acted at the cost of someone else not in his favoured spheres.
Even Lone Wolf enemies agreed to him being a hero and icon of power for good, to the extent that they are trying to kill and assassinate him at every opportunity.
Magnamund differs from earth in so far that evil and good have different deities representing them, and everyone agrees which of the Deities that are on the side of evil and who are on the side on good.
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Post by zipp on Feb 22, 2010 2:51:08 GMT -5
People often react strongly to these sort've things. I'm not condoning anything that Hitler did. But I have problems with the words "evil" "good" and "hero" in general. These are all relative terms that have no meaning outside of individual designations of what they mean. I personally don't think that what Hitler did was anything wonderful (though it did gives us loads to work with in cinema and made some film people very famous because of the subject matter) but I refuse to use the words "good" and "evil" when considering the Nazi party or anything else. I don't consider myself a being with a high enough intelligence to be able to definitively label what good and evil are. Nor would I deign to ever label someone a hero.
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Post by Beowuuf on Feb 22, 2010 3:33:50 GMT -5
I dnt think anyone reacted strongly to the shock of it, just to the fact the comparison wasn't any good! Hilter had death attempts from his own people showing that he was not even considered a 'hero' or 'ggod' by his own side once the fanaticism was striped away. Whereas LW never had Banedon, Gwynian and Rimoah try to blow him up to stop his vision from being realised.
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Post by zipp on Feb 22, 2010 11:55:49 GMT -5
I dnt think anyone reacted strongly to the shock of it, just to the fact the comparison wasn't any good! Hilter had death attempts from his own people showing that he was not even considered a 'hero' or 'ggod' by his own side once the fanaticism was striped away. Whereas LW never had Banedon, Gwynian and Rimoah try to blow him up to stop his vision from being realised. Of course, no one ever tried to make a taxidermy experiment out of Hitler. |
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Post by Beowuuf on Feb 22, 2010 12:07:43 GMT -5
I'm sure an insane taxidemist would have liked to try!
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Post by Doomy on Feb 22, 2010 12:28:12 GMT -5
Sounds like a cool B-movie plot to me!
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Post by Beowuuf on Feb 22, 2010 12:54:08 GMT -5
Q.T. to direct!
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Post by Al on Feb 22, 2010 14:30:27 GMT -5
People often react strongly to these sort've things. I'm not condoning anything that Hitler did. But I have problems with the words "evil" "good" and "hero" in general. These are all relative terms that have no meaning outside of individual designations of what they mean. . This sounds more like an excuse and defence of amorality than any philosophical position |
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Post by zipp on Feb 22, 2010 20:15:59 GMT -5
People often react strongly to these sort've things. I'm not condoning anything that Hitler did. But I have problems with the words "evil" "good" and "hero" in general. These are all relative terms that have no meaning outside of individual designations of what they mean. . This sounds more like an excuse and defence of amorality than any philosophical position I don't believe that at all. I just don't think that good and evil have any meaning outside of what we personally decide. I'm not defending anyone or anything. I'm just saying that good and evil don't exist outside of a codified rule set. |
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