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Post by chris777 on Sept 29, 2008 14:02:50 GMT -5
From what I know, in medieval times for a girl to be a princess she usually had to be born into it. However, I also heard that there are times when a peasant girl might be "promoted" to princess. If she is a particularly gorgeous peasant girl and a prince happens to take a liking to her, she might be "promoted" to princess, she might be made a princess but then she would have to marry the prince whether she wanted to or not. Such an instance happened with the girl buttercup who started out as a common peasant but then was made into a princess because this prince, Prince Humperdinck, wanted to marry her. As it was though, Prince Humperdinck was a jerk and she did not want to marry him. Thankfully for her, her true love, Westley came and rescued her.
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Post by Ghost Bear on Sept 29, 2008 14:30:45 GMT -5
Whatever you've got, I want some! ;D
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Post by Izziel Darkblade on Sept 29, 2008 14:34:55 GMT -5
wtf?! ;D lol, this must be your most random thread EVER, SD/chris777!
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Post by Doomy on Sept 29, 2008 14:41:04 GMT -5
He's obviously talking about The Princess Bride, but I have no idea why.
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Post by Samildanach on Sept 30, 2008 6:10:31 GMT -5
The Princess Bride isn't known for its historical accuracy. Having said that, the much over-hyped Princess of Wales became princess by marriage rather than birth.
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Post by chris777 on Sept 30, 2008 12:53:51 GMT -5
I started this post because I was interested in the history of medieval times. But aside from that, I thought these were the "random" boards, unlike the other boards which have to do with the Lone Wolf gamebooks, these boards are supposed to be more random.
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Post by Izziel Darkblade on Sept 30, 2008 13:22:32 GMT -5
Sure, these are the random boards, but you could explain the context of this thread in the first place, mate. I was really thinking i missed something when i read the first post. Peace
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Post by Samildanach on Oct 2, 2008 9:58:31 GMT -5
Yes, I think that's what's thrown everyone. A mention of being interested in medieval history in the first post would probably have done a lot to avoid confusion. As it is, you seem to ask something fairly unexpected out of the blue, then give us a summary of The Princess Bride.
Also, and this is crucial in my opinion, notice that you didn't ask a question. You made a succession of statements or observations, then...nothing. Initially, it left me thinking "Er...thanks for the info. I guess."
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Post by Doomy on Oct 2, 2008 10:36:33 GMT -5
Hmm, Chris hasn't posted since we all jumped on him for this randomness. I hope he wasn't upset enough to quit the TotS.
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Post by Beowuuf on Oct 2, 2008 12:50:55 GMT -5
He hasn't deserted us in the past! We never did find a good avatar
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Post by chris777 on Oct 3, 2008 1:43:17 GMT -5
I havn't stopped posting here, Ive just been too busy as of lately to give a reply, and besides, Ive been checking out some of the other message boards.
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Post by zipp on Oct 4, 2008 15:52:31 GMT -5
Having studied Medieval history, I can say that in actuality, there weren't princesses in medieval times. In fact, there was no female equivalent to princes in those times. In the Canterbury Tales, which effectively mark the end of the medieval period, women of high standing (or noble standing) were called by the term "Lady" or "His Lordship's Lady." Think of Sir Gawain and the Green Knight, one of the more classic Knight in Shinning armour tales. In the story, the noble woman is called "Lady of the Green Knight."
You have to remember that the title of princess implies an ownership of some degree of power, whereas in Medieval times it was extremely rare (to the point of being unheard of) for women to have any power.
Now, in other cultures, the same wasn't neccesarily true. In Chinese and Japanese society, for instance, women did have a certain degree of power, especially in financial matters. But in European culture, women were treated as objects pretty much across the board.
I'm not sure when princesses got so mixed into fantasy. I'd imagine it was with the cheap fantasy novels that permeated literature in the 20th century.
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Post by chris777 on Oct 6, 2008 21:47:54 GMT -5
Actually I did once take a class in medieval history, it is debatable as to when the medieval times ended but it is considered to be sometime between 1300 and 1500. In England there was Queen Elizabeth the 1st although it was perhaps a bit after medieval times when she reigned but she is an example of a woman holding a high degree of power. There was also Eleanor of Aquatane, the mother of King Richard who had a good deal of power. As a matter of fact I learned that the reason why in the game of chess why the queen is such a strong chess piece was because there was a period in which women, in particular british queens, did obtain a good deal of power. Having studied Medieval history, I can say that in actuality, there weren't princesses in medieval times. In fact, there was no female equivalent to princes in those times. In the Canterbury Tales, which effectively mark the end of the medieval period, women of high standing (or noble standing) were called by the term "Lady" or "His Lordship's Lady." Think of Sir Gawain and the Green Knight, one of the more classic Knight in Shinning armour tales. In the story, the noble woman is called "Lady of the Green Knight." You have to remember that the title of princess implies an ownership of some degree of power, whereas in Medieval times it was extremely rare (to the point of being unheard of) for women to have any power. Now, in other cultures, the same wasn't neccesarily true. In Chinese and Japanese society, for instance, women did have a certain degree of power, especially in financial matters. But in European culture, women were treated as objects pretty much across the board. I'm not sure when princesses got so mixed into fantasy. I'd imagine it was with the cheap fantasy novels that permeated literature in the 20th century.
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Post by Roark on Oct 7, 2008 2:22:18 GMT -5
Actually I did once take a class in medieval history, it is debatable as to when the medieval times ended but it is considered to be sometime between 1300 and 1500. In England there was Queen Elizabeth the 1st although it was perhaps a bit after medieval times when she reigned but she is an example of a woman holding a high degree of power. There was also Eleanor of Aquatane, the mother of King Richard who had a good deal of power. As a matter of fact I learned that the reason why in the game of chess why the queen is such a strong chess piece was because there was a period in which women, in particular british queens, did obtain a good deal of power. And here in Spain Isabel I de Castilla, who ascended the throne upon 1479. ;D
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Post by Al on Oct 7, 2008 5:40:02 GMT -5
And here in Spain Isabel I de Castilla, who ascended the throne upon 1479. ;D Did she not by and large create Spain by uniting two kingdoms under one rule?
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