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Post by zipp on Jun 10, 2008 17:09:59 GMT -5
I'm a non-mainstream critic (my company is independent from the two big ones controlling almost every other local newspapers in the province, and I have only 30 000 readers) and I say that the movie is not as bad as you guys would like to say. Like I said: it's not a bad movie, it's just a bad Indy. And I vehemently disagree. If you look at the structure of the script, it is all over the place with irrelevant beats, no real set up of plot, and scenes that seem thrown in only to satisfy some bizarre whim of the film makers. The only characters that even have a purpose are Indiana and Mariam. None of the other characters (no, not even the "wonderfully named" Mutt) have any actual purpose. They are just cutouts placed where they are "supposed" to go. As for the Indy franchise, to be honest, I think only Last Crusade stands as a great film. Raiders I'm on the fence about, undeniably a classic, but Temple of Doom is pure shit. So I'm not basing my review off of any sort of expectation of the final film. I was viewing it as a script and movie in its own right, and I see over use of bad CG, over use of bad dialouge, and scenes that are aimlessly and sloppily tacked together. A complete waste of money that could've gone to paying for free health care.
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Post by Simey on Jun 10, 2008 17:41:15 GMT -5
Saw it this afternoon - pretty disappointed. I didn't expect it to be amazing, but it was worse than I though it would be.
I think it is a bad movie - just not as bad as most summer blockbusters. It's certainly very bad Indy - to come close to Raiders would have been nigh on impossible, but to not even come close to TToD is just a bit rubbish. I can't agree, though, that a film this bad only got made 'cause it's Indy - most summer Hollywood fare is a lot worse.
I can't believe they've been working on this for so long, waiting for the right story, the right script....the story was passable - though not great - but the script was very poor. I wouldn't mind it not being funny if it was actually trying to be serious, but it was trying very hard to be funny and simply failing - it even looked to me as if Harrison Ford wasn't trying as hard as he might to sell the 'funny' lines.
It really felt like lots of bits of the other Indy movies thrown together, but made much worse. And I think it is yet another film that has suffered from the ability of CGI to allow film-makers to try and have anything at all happen - the action sequences were ludicrous instead of exciting, the climax was absurd instead of dramatic.
However, what's more important to me is the music, so I'm far more eagerly awaiting my first listen to the soundtrack CD than I was my first viewing of the film.
Baa-dah-da-daah, baa-dah-daah....
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Post by Samildanach on Jun 11, 2008 8:41:46 GMT -5
it even looked to me as if Harrison Ford wasn't trying as hard as he might to sell the 'funny' lines. I got that impression too, but forgot about it in the downpour of silliness. Although I thought Ford did a reasonable job, his delivery of the humorous lines did lack the wryness of old. However, what's more important to me is the music, so I'm far more eagerly awaiting my first listen to the soundtrack CD than I was my first viewing of the film. Baa-dah-da-daah, baa-dah-daah.... Temple of Doom has my favourite Indy music.
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Post by zipp on Jun 11, 2008 15:12:08 GMT -5
However, what's more important to me is the music, so I'm far more eagerly awaiting my first listen to the soundtrack CD than I was my first viewing of the film. Baa-dah-da-daah, baa-dah-daah.... Temple of Doom has my favourite Indy music. [/quote] Well, one thing Jones can never be criticized for is its music. My favourite themes (aside from the indy one, of course) are the Nazi theme (LC), Grail Theme (LC), action theme (LC), and the Ark theme (RLA).
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Post by Simey on Jun 13, 2008 15:43:13 GMT -5
I'd have to pick Raiders as my favourite score overall, but each one is packed with awesome music. The Ark theme is one of the best evocations of supernatural power I've ever heard; the Parade of the Slave Children from TToD (the marchy bit in the end credits) is stupid-grin-plastered-across-face exhilarating; the Scherzo for Motorcycle and Orchestra from Crusade is beyond thrilling; the relationship themes, whether they be romantic or familial, are all classics; the action set pieces are musical-adrenalin overload (I don't think I've ever heard an orchestra play anything faster than the mine cart chase); and all the atmosphere-building, scene-setting and culture-highlighting underscore that binds it all together is brilliantly-written music out of Hollywood's top drawer. In short, it's stunning stuff - all of it.
I'm pleased to say that despite the quality of the film, the new score stands up very well. It's perhaps not an out-and-out-and-out classic like the first three, but it has a couple of strong (if not as memorable as usual) themes, plenty of atmosphere and very exciting action music. Due to the cartoonishly silly nature of some of the film's action, the tone of the accompanying music is overall lighter than the first three films, but still hugely enjoyable.
For once I am proved right about something - the new Indiana Jones score was always a more exciting prospect to me than the new Indiana Jones film, and unlike the film, it's actually very good. Hurrah!
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Post by Beowuuf on Jun 13, 2008 18:47:34 GMT -5
I hate you all, i have had the music when the slaves are being freed (whatever that theme is) in my head for the last few days!
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Post by Agrarvyn on Jun 14, 2008 8:19:05 GMT -5
It's simple, Beo - to get a tune out of your head, just listen to the real thing. That should do it
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Post by zipp on Jun 14, 2008 15:30:16 GMT -5
It's simple, Beo - to get a tune out of your head, just listen to the real thing. That should do it It's very true.
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Post by Izziel Darkblade on Jun 16, 2008 16:38:25 GMT -5
I saw it last night; entertaining but not living up to the previous 3. My 2 cents, anyway.
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Post by Samildanach on Jun 17, 2008 13:20:11 GMT -5
It's simple, Beo - to get a tune out of your head, just listen to the real thing. That should do it It's very true. NB: This approach does not work with 'Danger Zone' by Kenny Loggins.
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Post by Beowuuf on Jun 17, 2008 16:10:37 GMT -5
Please don't inflict your maladies on us, or i will sing wizbit at you!
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