Indiana Jones IV Movie

[koreth]

I saw the Indiana Jones IV movie the day it came out. Took the wife and the kids for a special treat.

Man, I couldn't stand it. I walked out of the theatre in disgust, not believing I wasted 2 hours of my life, not to mention the overly generous commercials, to watch this.

I'll probably mellow out on it over time, but I've never walked out of an Indiana Jones movie with disgust.

I liked some parts of it, but it didn't gel with the adventure story.

Your take?

(Edit - either these banners are getting smarter, or it is just ironic - after I made this post, the fandango.com advertisement was for Indiana Jones IV !!!)

[Beowuuf]

I think you will mellow in reaction, I foundd alot jarred in the first movie, lines just didn't seem to sparkle, indy loooked too old (Especially as a professor for some reason), the over the top humour (gophers andd fridges) just seemed a little much, and of course let's not get started on the actual ending in the city. Even ray winston's character was a little paper thin only aided by plot

I went to see it again shortly after, and alot of the things didn't bug me as much or at all. It's not a brillaint film, but you learn to live with it and be amused and excited by alot of the stuff next time once you get passed the initial ledt down that the film wasn't as kick ass as you dreamed dand hoped it would be

[Agrarvyn]

I'm hoping to go to see it tomorrow afternoon, so I should be able to report back with my findings

[Agrarvyn]

Now that I've seen it, I thought it was rather slow to start and the whole fridge incident was beyond ridiculous. I don't know what was up with the madness thing at the end either.

Other than that, it was a decent film, even at £6.40 a ticket nowadays!

[Samildanach]

Just saw it. There were a few things I disliked, and someone on another forum pointed out a gaping plot chasm I hadn't noticed, but overall I enjoyed it. Silly fun - exactly what Indy has always been. The weakest of the series though.

[Black Cat]

For my own opinion, take a look at this thread: daziarn.proboards54.com/index.cgi?board=loresolaris&action=display&thread=206

Use it also for posting your comments on other new movies.

[Al]

Crap. Sheer crap. I only have so many free nights and I am disappointed I wasted it on this.

[zipp]

I was excited for a new Indie movie, but after seeing it I thought it would've been better to not bismirch the good name of Jones and just leave the last crusade as the LAST crusade.

Lucas and Spielberg... man they don't know how to leave well enough alone. The new star wars blew chunks as well. What's next? "Schiendler's List 2: The Return of Mein Herr?"

[Hawkeye]

The beginning was ok to me. But sad to say, that was all I watched as I practically slept through the rest of it. I expected more than that and what a shock to watched Spielberg's interview when he mentioned he wanted to make this movie the best of Indy's adventures. Far from it.... sigh.

[Samildanach]

I think part of the problem is the build-up. Same with Star Wars. And I don't just mean that we all expect such good things that it'd really struggle to deliver; I also mean I think Lucas/Spielberg try too hard, because they know how much pressure there'll be. It results in a film that doesn't quite work because it's straining to recreate the best of its past.

[Al]

Yeah, I think you are right, definately a nostalgic letdown if ever! What surprises me though is that the critics seemed to have liked it

[Black Cat]

It's not a bad movie, it's just a bad Indy (or at least sub-par). You know what? I think fans are more critical about the movie because they were expecting something like the good old days (with a younger Indy set in the 1930s). The movie didn't live up to their expections that were maybe (too?) high. As for the critics, they loved it maybe because they weren't as involved emotionnally towards it than the fans. Anyways, that's just the opinion of your local journalist. ;D

[zipp]

Jun 10, 2008 11:51:53 GMT -5 Black Cat said:

It's not a bad movie, it's just a bad Indy (or at least sub-par). You know what? I think fans are more critical about the movie because they were expecting something like the good old days (with a younger Indy set in the 1930s). The movie didn't live up to their expections that were maybe (too?) high. As for the critics, they loved it maybe because they weren't as involved emotionnally towards it than the fans. Anyways, that's just the opinion of your local journalist. ;D

I disagree with the local journalist. In fact, I would say that the only reason they GOT AWAY with this film was because it was an Indy film. Any other title and it would've gotten thrown into the trash heap faster than a rotting apple core.

And the critics loved it because they know it's a good idea to be kind to the movies of Lucas and Spielberg. Read any non-mainstream critic and you'll see a flaming pile of excrement hurled at the silver screen.

[Beowuuf]

I think with both lucas's franchises, people forget they were based and were deliberately supposed to ape the franckly cheesy and fun matinees of lucs and speilberg's childhood. As a young writer however, that intention was flavoured with two fantastic items - an obvious reaction to also make something different feeling (ie realism in sci fi where everything was over the top, a lived in world) and also the natural cynisism of youthful writing (you write older sometimes by funnily not being as simplistic)

Of course, both of those were great, balanced the humour and goofiness (or totally disguised it) and made for a greta set of film franchises

Flash forward to now, and as an older man lucas now has nothing to prove writing wise, and is happy to stick to the 'purer' purpose he imaged. Hence, his goofy humour and a closer homage to the over the top nature of the matinees

Sadly, those thigns are not what we loved the series for at all, infact if they had been stronger in the mix these franchises would not have gotten off the ground.


To defend zipp's point though, there is signs of deterioration i nfilm tellign with both lucas and speilberg. Lucas's character writing in the star wars flms was pretty terrible and some of the character beats and turns in indy were pretty weak. One thing i spotted off in the film techniwue for speilberg was the initial hanger 51 - i feel, and someone correct me if i am wrong, but by showing the reverse of the hanger opening with the skiyline, it just seemed to rob the hanger of alot of it's ominous spooky oppressiveness that was built up at the end of raiders. A simple choice to keep over the character's shoulders and swoop the characters in as if swallowed into the impressive collection would have kept the feel of the hanger. Little niggles like that.

[Black Cat]

Jun 10, 2008 13:43:57 GMT -5 zipp said:

Read any non-mainstream critic and you'll see a flaming pile of excrement hurled at the silver screen.

I would like to know what you do consider as non-mainstream critic. That's the problem with my job: anybody can call themselves journalists, especially since the internet is here. Anybody call tell about "facts" without doing a real journalistic job. Same thing goes with critics. Just check some websites: professionnal critics will rarely give grades that are A+ or E- to movies; however, several "critics" that are simply average Jos will give A+ or E- to these flicks. A real critic will not say that a movie is all white or all black (unless the movie really deserves such treatment). Anyways, that's all for another thread...

I'm a non-mainstream critic (my company is independent from the two big ones controlling almost every other local newspapers in the province, and I have only 30 000 readers) and I say that the movie is not as bad as you guys would like to say. Like I said: it's not a bad movie, it's just a bad Indy.