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Post by writingwolf on Jun 2, 2008 17:14:44 GMT -5
Hello all
Just been reading on the Mongoose forum something that BlackCat has posted regarding the Magnamund timeline. I'm not going to post that here, that's his right after all, but I had a sub-question whilst posting a reply that I wanted to ask.
I was thinking that if to LW a few days in the Dazhiarn was 8 years in Magnamund, then Vonotar can only have spent like a week in the Dazhiarn, yet he was already ruler of the city - some fast work! Maybe the time is lost spent travelling through the Shadow Gates? And some can travel faster or something? It would be nice to have a definitive answer.
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Post by Maerin on Jun 2, 2008 17:47:10 GMT -5
I suspect the first thing to consider is to not assume as an absolute that there might be any linear correlation between time passing in the Daziarn and time passing in the real world, or even between different realms of the Daziarn itself (consider, for instance, Vonotar's otherwise apparently "near-immediate" reaction to the appearance of the Lorestones by sending someone to retrieve them). There is actually little to suggest such might consistantly be the case. It is just as probable that little apparent time passed for Lone Wolf and Grey Star precisely because they spent all their time in the Daziarn hopping from realm to realm. And even trying to compare their relatively "similar" journeys becomes virtually impossible when one starts looking at the relative "timelessness" of those journeys. Put another way, just because they felt time moving in a strictly biological sense (need to eat, need to sleep, etc.) doesn't necessarily mean that it was. In fact, there is one point in Grey Star's journey across the Neverness where he more or less loses all track of time, including the biological imperatives.
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Post by koreth on Jun 2, 2008 22:44:03 GMT -5
I remember once comparing the times to try and correlate. I could find no linear correlation. Therefore, it is obviously a logarithmic correlation.    Just kidding about the logarithmic relationsion. When I did try and corrolate, I concluded with 99% certainty that it the whole Dazairn time shift is just a plot device to put people in the right place at the right time for the right story. Regards, Koreth |
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Post by Beowuuf on Jun 3, 2008 2:28:04 GMT -5
Lol, time is generated by the artistic license generator as needed!
Also, was there anything to suggest vonotar ruled that city, or merely that he had enough pull in terms of power to get a scarlet warrior to go after the lorestones for him. Could have even been a mind charm
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Post by Maerin on Jun 3, 2008 12:04:14 GMT -5
I suspect the only reason one would need to start turning mental backflips to develop Vonotar's "backstory" for Book 11 if one assumes that time relationships must be linear and conclude based on that alone that Vonotar's rulership of the city makes no sense. Since I find little actual support for that reason nor the requisite assumption...Maerin shrugs.
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Post by Agrarvyn on Jun 3, 2008 14:54:15 GMT -5
Just like the speed of a Starfury in Babylon 5, the various time streams in the Dazhiarn each flow at the speed of plot!  |
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Post by writingwolf on Jun 6, 2008 16:08:27 GMT -5
It just goes to show that Time is relative. There used to be Time Lords to regulate this sort of thing, but when Gallifrey goes, it all goes!
I actually forgot about the Neverness. Best to ignore it all then. Actually, when you think about it, in 8 years of war, Gnaag should have won in that time, especially with all the Darklords freely moving around Magnamund.
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Post by Maerin on Jun 6, 2008 17:09:02 GMT -5
Actually, when you think about it, in 8 years of war, Gnaag should have won in that time, especially with all the Darklords freely moving around Magnamund. Well, that is actually one of the subjects I plan to explore in the online game I am working on pulling together. I actually do believe there is at least one speculative answer to that very question. |
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Post by Samildanach on Jun 9, 2008 4:08:35 GMT -5
Also, was there anything to suggest vonotar ruled that city, or merely that he had enough pull in terms of power to get a scarlet warrior to go after the lorestones for him. Could have even been a mind charm I was wondering that. In all the times I've read that book, I've not once got the impression Vonotar ruled the city, simply that he was there, and had some allies and a bit of influence. |
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Post by zipp on Jun 9, 2008 15:18:34 GMT -5
Hello all Just been reading on the Mongoose forum something that BlackCat has posted regarding the Magnamund timeline. I'm not going to post that here, that's his right after all, but I had a sub-question whilst posting a reply that I wanted to ask. I was thinking that if to LW a few days in the Dazhiarn was 8 years in Magnamund, then Vonotar can only have spent like a week in the Dazhiarn, yet he was already ruler of the city - some fast work! Maybe the time is lost spent travelling through the Shadow Gates? And some can travel faster or something? It would be nice to have a definitive answer. It could follow (maybe suggested already, only had time to post, not browse) that time isn't exactly stable in the Daziarn as it relates to Magnamund. Therefore, the years that Vonotar was there could've translated to months or even more years in the daziarn and don't neccesarily have to be on the same formula as when LW arrived. |
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Post by writingwolf on Jun 20, 2008 16:21:12 GMT -5
It says in Book 12: "Here your quest culminated in a battle against you old enemy, Vonotar the Traitor, who had found the last Lorestone and who controlled the city wherein lay the Shadow Gate."
Unless this is rewritten, it would appear he does control the city.
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Post by Slavemaster on Jun 20, 2008 18:28:23 GMT -5
Actually, when you think about it, in 8 years of war, Gnaag should have won in that time, especially with all the Darklords freely moving around Magnamund. Well, that is actually one of the subjects I plan to explore in the online game I am working on pulling together. I actually do believe there is at least one speculative answer to that very question. Aha, you mean that the PC:s in your LWRPG game will hold the Darklord's off for long enough for Lone Wolf to get back? Well, the PC:s in my campaign are trying to help them, so we'll see how that works out, eh?  Jokes aside, I am inclined to the view that time in Daziarn moves at the Speed of Plot - that is to say the time that passes is exactly the time required by the story. For an in-world explaination, I agree with Zipp; Lone Wolf and Grey Star jumps around quite a bit between the different worlds in Daziarn, which might explain those discrepancies. If Vonotar sticks to one place, time for him may well be much longer. |
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Post by Maerin on Jun 20, 2008 18:54:37 GMT -5
Aha, you mean that the PC:s in your LWRPG game will hold the Darklord's off for long enough for Lone Wolf to get back? Well, that would certain be a game with a hopeful theme to it, if that were what I had in mind. No tragedy, no horror, no despair. Quite a beautiful thought... Pity I am the GM I am, I guess.  Well, the PC:s in my campaign are trying to help them, so we'll see how that works out, eh? All things (and particularly the person playing one of your PCs) considered, the irony underlying that thought is terribly entertaining. |
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Post by Dark Adder on Jun 25, 2008 10:31:12 GMT -5
One of my favorite quotes about story time comes from a friend of mine concerning elapsed time in a live action RPG: "Time passes according to plot." That does seem to apply here as well. |
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