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Post by Simey on Jan 14, 2010 15:32:37 GMT -5
Um, I don't quite follow that, but if it's to do with the Story So Far.... then I maybe overdid it saying 'super-condensed', but I think we ought to avoid unnecessary baggage.
I don't want us to reset, and I do want us to continue straight on in the same time. But, to be honest, the intros to some of the later chapters of the WW were so long, and contained so much detail about every character, that I found it hard going, and I'd already read all the actual posts!
Beowuuf's story is much richer than Simey's, so I wouldn't suggest that you'd be able to get his previous story down to a single sentence or anything close. But with regards to Simey at least, I can't think of much he's done that bears any immediate relevance to the story we're about to tell. You know the recap things that U.S. TV shows do so well in twenty seconds at the start of an episode? They only give you bits of the backstory that will be relevant to that episode, not everything that's gone before, 'cause that would be impractical. Given that we know vaguely where this next chapter is headed, I'd say - within reason - try and keep the character sum-ups at the beginning relevant to that. I expect that further on down the line some of Simey's previous story that is not currently particularly relevant will become relevant again, in which case I'd think about getting reference to it into the Story So Far.... , but at the moment there's not much that seems to matter much. I dunno, maybe I'm wrong and not thinking deeply enough about it.
But if I've got it right, and you were taking me as saying that I wanted to disconnect this next step in the WW as much as possible from what has gone before then I very much don't want that. Simey may be a bit rubbish, but I'm not nearly done with him yet!
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Post by Beowuuf on Jan 14, 2010 15:53:15 GMT -5
Well the trouble with the story so far was it was basically a summary of the previous chapter. I still want one for chapter 17 - just let's stick it in the summary thread, at the end, so if you don't want to read Mine became a little long because of the baggage, however that was because it was comign ot the close of an arc. None of that continues into chapter 17, so chapter 17's summary and the chapter 18' first posts need basrely anything that refers to before. Actually, Beowuuf always says his summary story. A wolf creature who - despite appearances - is a Vakeros. Done I think I said somewhre before, the previous story is sorta done. Kollosco can come back, and the whole backstory can be like an iceberg - you just need ot know Kollosco is a mage of left and right hand magic. Duman and the New Day can come back, and all you need to know is once they ferried Beowuuf. Etc. I don't know if it got lost SImey, but I did my version of the summary further up - basically re-jigged the main 'story so far...' I created. I think each person introduces themselves in their first posts. I always tried to do that in my posts - assume any reader was coming ot this chapter first.
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Post by Beowuuf on Jan 14, 2010 15:53:38 GMT -5
And Simey (the character) is cool!
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Post by Simey on Jan 14, 2010 16:07:57 GMT -5
I don't know if it got lost SImey, but I did my version of the summary further up - basically re-jigged the main 'story so far...' I created. Yeah, no that is very cool. Job done as far as that's concerned. I thought you were thinking of individual character stuff, but putting that elsewhere to be read or not is probably a good call. Given that there's only a few of us active right now, we could potentially do new Story So Far threads for each of our characters, though the work involved in that would probably put me off until 2020 or so.... That's a good idea too. Never thought of that. You are very kind. Though however true that may or not be, he's still rubbish! ;D
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Post by crysis on Jan 14, 2010 17:18:58 GMT -5
I think when you explain it that way, Beowuuf, I see how this is working out okay. So I retract my previous statement and agree to go along with our current plan.
I still think we may want to consider having our characters more spread out rather than having them all be at ground zero. That way we can allow for the devlopment of a wider story rather than one where everyone has to be in one place.
Unless we want the WW to be a one-place kind've game from now on. We never really discussed that at any length.
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Post by Simey on Jan 14, 2010 18:13:51 GMT -5
I still think we may want to consider having our characters more spread out rather than having them all be at ground zero. That way we can allow for the devlopment of a wider story rather than one where everyone has to be in one place. Agreed. I guess Simey and Beowuuf are most likely to start together-ish in the scouting party, but that doesn't preclude them getting split up when things start to happen. And Crysis and ETB will be starting from different points. It would be nice if some characters overlapped with others every now and then, but, as you say, a wider story of several threads would be better than everyone in the same place involved more or less directly with the same thing.
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Post by Beowuuf on Jan 14, 2010 18:35:22 GMT -5
Well it's the problem - I can see the logic story wise of having the characters spread out, and the stories interacting interestingly in the end. Certainly how you'd do it if writing the novel on your own. But of course half the fun of the previous big collaboration seemed to be actually having your characters interact in the same place, not justinterract more as writers. After all, we were already doing that when we had our own plot threads So not sure which approach I'd prefer. I'll be swayed by the rest of you either way on that. And heh, why would Beowuuf end up in the scouting party? He's a wolf creature! He looks weird. Would you trust him to go back?
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Post by crysis on Jan 14, 2010 21:08:13 GMT -5
Once again Beowuuf becomes the voice of reason.
I guess for now it makes most sense for the four of us to closely collaborate in a similar space. That's how we're going to have the most fun. If more people decide to join in, at that point we'll start spreading things out.
With that, all my fears have been laid to rest. Let's get posting!
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Post by eviltb on Jan 15, 2010 3:38:22 GMT -5
On the suggestion of a time-jump, with ETB in the Daziarn you have some time to play with.
And if anyone knows what the time differences are on Aon/the Daziarn - eg 1 Daziarn hour is worth ?? Aon hours - that would be most helpful!
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Post by Doomy on Jan 15, 2010 3:50:06 GMT -5
In The Masters of Darkness, Lone Wolf discovers he's been away from Magnamund for eight years while he spent a few days on the Daziarn.
I'm not sure Vonotar's exile covers a similar ratio though, as you get the impression he's been on the Daziarn for a good bit longer, subjectively.
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Post by Beowuuf on Jan 15, 2010 4:19:13 GMT -5
Yet in Grey Star I don't believe there is much of a time time for his Daziarn trip, and LW planes hoped alot to no time effects.
I think the Daziarn is a strange place where there isn't a consitent timescale. It really moves at the speed of plot!
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Post by Doomy on Jan 15, 2010 4:36:14 GMT -5
Perhaps it's not the Daziarn but the trip there and back that produces a time dilation effect. Some Shadow Gates might send you directly from A to B while others go via the rest of the multiverse.
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Post by crysis on Jan 15, 2010 12:21:27 GMT -5
There was a full discussion of this on one of the forums a long time ago that I remember fairly clearly. Someone, I think maybe North Star or Alasi, actually charted out the various time discrepancies and we all discussed it. We never truly summarized our findings, but below are the potential conclusions to the Daziarn mystery.
1) Time cannot be accurately measured between two worlds and may slow down or speed up at its own whim. IN this case, there is no way to tell how long a trip to the daziarn might take. This actually goes along with what several modern theoricists feel would happen in crossing dimensions and, oddly enough, with some Celtic legends about how spirit dimensions function in terms of time lapse.
2) Time actually flows simultaneously between the various dimensions but the trip through the planes to reach those dimensions involves a time lapse that is indeterminate. This makes sense with some of what we see in book 20, where Lone Wolf sometimes finds himself in those empty voids between dimensions where it is implied that time doesn't function normally.
3) Each different planet (or plane) has a different time lapse formula between itself and Magnamund. This is probably not true because of the Vonotar conundrum (he would've been in the Daziarn for something like a year or two going off a set formula, based on LW's time lapse). On the other hand, Vonotar never tells us quite exactly how long he's been in the daziarn, so we can't dismiss the possibility outright.
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Post by Doomy on Jan 15, 2010 12:32:35 GMT -5
About option 2:
How many years pass between Book 3, when Vonotar is banished, and Book 10, when Lone Wolf is? If we assume the time lapse is equal in both directions that would suggest a trip or from the Daziarn causes a four-year time displacement.
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Post by Beowuuf on Jan 15, 2010 12:38:10 GMT -5
I think that's what Zipp meant, there's roughly 10 years between book 3 and book 10 (it's MS5051 in the old book 3, and I believe MS5061 or 62 in book 10). So Vonotar would have been in the Daziarn for a few years if the 8 years was constant
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