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Post by chris777 on Dec 1, 2009 0:11:09 GMT -5
I just got the remake for the 1st book, Flight From the Dark, as well as book 2, Fire on the Water. With Flight From the Dark, there is an extra 200 plus sections. While being longer than the original, it also gets into much more detail about Lone Wolf's adventures, particularly the surprise attack on the monastery and the demise of the Kai. As for book 2, Fire on the Water, the remake doesn't appear much different from the original aside from it having a fancier hardback cover and some of the wording is changed, but there are no new sections. I don't see why Joe didn't expand book 2 like he did book 1.
Aside from that, while I do think the remakes are good in some ways I prefer the originals. Some of the things in the original FFTD I liked better than in thr remake, particularly that once you meet the king you have finished the book. With the remake, after meeting the king you then have to deal with a helghast posing as the prince and I found that a bit annoying. So in some ways the originals are the best.
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Post by eviltb on Dec 1, 2009 3:53:47 GMT -5
most of the new books are like that though, the 1st book had all the major re-do's but the others only have minor details changed or clarified. Kinda like the re-made original Star Wars trilogy, EpIV had quite a bit new stuff while the others only had minor tweaks.
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Post by chris777 on Dec 1, 2009 14:46:29 GMT -5
Actually the remakes of the original SW trilogy, with all three of them they weren't all that much remade. For the most part, they retouched the graphics used modern computers to make the special effects more fancy and more alluring. In addition to that, all three of the movies have new scenes that had been filmed back in the day but that Lucas had cut from the movies when they were first shwon, but ANH didn't have much more in the way of extra scenes than ESB and ROTJ. As a matter of fact, the only new scenes in ANH that I can think of right now is some of the scenes showing Luke and Ben riding into Mos Eisely and Luke meeting and chatting with his old buddy Biggs prior to their assault on the Death Star.
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Post by eviltb on Dec 2, 2009 3:14:20 GMT -5
ANH also had that extra Jabba bit on Tatooine.
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Post by Seneschal on Dec 2, 2009 22:06:28 GMT -5
Han Shot First.
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Post by zipp on Dec 3, 2009 1:53:08 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm with Evil on this one. The first Star Wars is totally remade, with some terrible scenes thrown in. It also shows the most in that film cause it's the oldest and thus jars the most with the new effects. The third film was also annoying, what with the goddamn penis-in-a-hole. And the second film ruins the tension of the Wampa scene by showing the creature... though it is pretty scary looking.
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Post by eviltb on Dec 3, 2009 4:34:01 GMT -5
lol @ penis-in-a-hole! Although that has now been accepted as canon, and if you read about the sarlaac on wookiepedia it actualy is pretty interesting. But I think we can all forget about that lame song scene in jabbas palace *shiver*
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Post by chris777 on Dec 3, 2009 14:15:52 GMT -5
Well, the first SW film wasn't truly "remade" with different actors playing the roles. It was George Lucas adding in extra footage that he filmed back in the 70s but did not include in the original release, that along with the CGI. There wasn't as much added on to the SW film as there was in the first Lone Wolf book. I do wish, however, that Joe had added another 100 or so passages to his other remakes, such as FOTW.
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Post by zipp on Dec 3, 2009 14:53:18 GMT -5
Well, the first SW film wasn't truly "remade" with different actors playing the roles. It was George Lucas adding in extra footage that he filmed back in the 70s but did not include in the original release, that along with the CGI. There wasn't as much added on to the SW film as there was in the first Lone Wolf book. I do wish, however, that Joe had added another 100 or so passages to his other remakes, such as FOTW. I'm kind've glad he didn't, to be honest. I really like the originals and the atmosphere they create and if too much was changed I'd sort've feel like the air had been taken out of my childhood fantasy. Running through the games on MSN (see project Aon forums) has really shown me just how accessible and epic the original story and passage are. The only book that NEEDED heavy revision was Flight From the Dark, as it was definitely the worst written and laid out of the series. The only other thing I would like to see changed in the new books is some revamping of stats and the insta-death sections. |
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Post by Ghost Bear on Dec 3, 2009 15:45:08 GMT -5
Agree with Zipp. On all counts. Also, I like the old books as they are, and don't plan on getting the revised editions - so I'd like to be able to keep my knowledge of the books as intact as possible.  Which I realise is slightly selfish. -GB |
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Post by chris777 on Dec 4, 2009 23:50:00 GMT -5
In some ways I do like the original Flight From the Dark better than the remake. In the original you are out collecting wood and you run into a tree branch and get knocked out when the attack on the monastery occurs, in the remake you are doing weapon's drills with Star Fire, your superior, when the monastery gets attacked and you go about lighting the beacon and escaping. Although the remake is interesting in how it expands on the monastery attack, I didn't really see it as necessary. I think that all that was needed was to make it clear that the monastery was destroyed and the kai were all killed save Lone Wolf. Such an event marks the drastic change that starts the Lone Wolf series off. It is the starting point of Lone Wolf's new life as the last of the kai and there is no need to expand on it. What I do like about the remake is that Banedon is harder to miss. I consider meeting Banedon in FFTD important because that is how you get the crystal star pendant and it also sets up a long lasting friendship that will go on throughout the series (You become friends anyway but I think its good to meet Banedon in FFTD.) I did not like how you have to fight a helghast in the remake. I like the original better where it ends when you meet the king. Once you meet the king you have finished your goal and you shouldn't have to be troubled with anything else until you start the next book.
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Post by zipp on Dec 5, 2009 11:04:18 GMT -5
Meeting Banedon could've stood to have been a little more mandatory, yeah... my current player didn't meet him, which means she's lacking the Crystal Star Pendant. Not that it changes the adventure that much, but it is cool to have that long relationship and an ally from the Monastery attack. I'm thinking of working in a meeting with the wizard in book 2 somewhere to facilitate that.
I also like the expansion of the Alema bridge which leaves the player feeling like they actually accomplished something by killing a massive lizard-man, rather than just saving their life.
I also happen to like the Helghast attack. Seeing the Prince show up at court when you know he's dead is extremely unnerving and serves to better illustrate the otherwise only talked about threat of Helghast infiltrating the higher echelons of court.
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