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Post by Beowuuf on Sept 28, 2008 0:52:42 GMT -5
It reminds me of the Hulk / Edward Norton contropversy, where a private creative dispute got public and created a bad atmosphere where otherwise the two sides would have been able to let it slide and carry on with the project
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Post by Aguila Saber on Sept 28, 2008 6:13:48 GMT -5
Right. It's not the exact same quote. But what does "less than happy" means? Sadness? Indifference? Feeling bad? What feeling is lower than happiness? That is how I understood your comment. If it wasn't this, I'm sorry then. It means "Any feeling less positive than happy" If you grade all feeling in happiness and use the less than as an algrebra "less than" you would get it about right. My intention was for it to be very vague, since I had no idea what Alberto's real feelings would be. Even if I knew Alberto's real feelings about this I would have made a purposefully vague comment about his emotions anyway. (Because his exact feelings are beside the point I was trying to make.) Basically, I was only trying to state the obvious with that section of text.
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Post by FrostHawk on Sept 28, 2008 10:42:57 GMT -5
Well, I basically back up with Aguila. Speaking in Italian I can say that Alberto was quite unhappy with the decision, to say the least. He also didn't want anyone to write on ToTS, but I think that Aguila did the best thing, whatever Alberto said, because there are people that already paid for the Megadeal and they deserve that the books (COLLECTOR'S EDITION, I want to clealy point this out) have to be delivered in the best way possible, and their willings must be more important than an editorial choice.
Then...Msprange closing the thread is an insult to the customers IMHO.
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Post by Black Cat on Sept 28, 2008 11:42:25 GMT -5
Right. It's not the exact same quote. But what does "less than happy" means? Sadness? Indifference? Feeling bad? What feeling is lower than happiness? That is how I understood your comment. If it wasn't this, I'm sorry then. It means "Any feeling less positive than happy" If you grade all feeling in happiness and use the less than as an algrebra "less than" you would get it about right. My intention was for it to be very vague, since I had no idea what Alberto's real feelings would be. Even if I knew Alberto's real feelings about this I would have made a purposefully vague comment about his emotions anyway. (Because his exact feelings are beside the point I was trying to make.) Basically, I was only trying to state the obvious with that section of text. Well then, let me stretch my hand towards you in a friendly gesture and hope that you don't stay mad at me since I didn't want you to feel bad.
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Post by zipp on Sept 28, 2008 20:51:09 GMT -5
Well this turned into a shit fest.
As for as covers go, I was quite pleased with the three books I saw. Of course, I really liked the original AMERICAN versions of the covers, so who am I to judge?
As for illustrations, I've had, like most, mixed reactions. For the most part, I've noticed the artwork is revamped versions of Gary Chalk's original illustrations, rather than truly new art. Because of this, my reaction differs from picture to picture (depending on how much I liked the original). For my money, I'll say this... I think the new art is more detailed and better executed (not counting the poor sketches that line the bonus adventures, ESPECIALLY book two) than Gary Chalk's work. However, Gary Chalk's work was more memorable. I'm not sure why this is. I would say his art was more emotional and more "in your face" (I mean, he choose a lot of "staring out at you" poses, very close up images for the most part). I also think that with his simpler drawings came more connection from the audience. He illustrated the most neccesary parts of a scene, bringing out such things as a scowl or a grimace.
So again, I like the more "adult" illustrations we're seeing in these new editions, but I do think I'll always remember Chalk's drawings when I think "Lone Wolf."
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Post by Samildanach on Sept 30, 2008 6:17:12 GMT -5
There's something about Gary Chalk's art style that makes it easily recognisable most of the time, and gives it a strange atmosphere. The Chalk illustrations are a large part of what Magnamund feels like, for me. And what Talisman feels like. And what Mean Streets feels like.
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Post by Doomy on Sept 30, 2008 6:38:30 GMT -5
There's something about Gary Chalk's art style that makes it easily recognisable most of the time, and gives it a strange atmosphere. Agreed. The uniqueness of Chalk's style has always appealed to me. Many artists do more realistic, technically superior work - Brian Williams for one - but their stuff is often not as memorable as Chalk's weirdness. I still rate his Flight From the Dark cover as my all-time favourite Lone Wolf illustration. About the new books - does anyone agree that there seems to be something of a 16th-century feel this time around compared to the more medieval stylings of the originals? I thought this was very noticeable with the main adventure illustrations in Book 6.
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Post by crymson on Sept 30, 2008 7:06:25 GMT -5
You know what? No offence intended to Alberto, but I really don't care who the artist for the cover of books 29-32 is: I'm just glad they are being released at all?
And, seriously, if Alberto was upset about not being the artist for book 29, shouldn't he have taken it up with Mongoose and NOT posted it on a public internet forum? If I did something like that against my place of employment I wouldn't have a job there anymore.
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Post by dharn on Sept 30, 2008 8:37:31 GMT -5
Gary Chalk's Lone Wolf art reminds me so much of something from the medieval times? Especially the women...
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Post by Izziel Darkblade on Sept 30, 2008 10:13:35 GMT -5
I find Gary Chalk's work to be "weird", and i mean this in the most positive way: kinda reminds me of John Blanche's work for the Sorcery! series, but totally different (someone who has read both might see what i mean ;P) I love it, and now that i think of it, it may have been one of the things that got me into LW; I remeber seeing the Beaver covers for the Kai series and becoming very intrigued about the books (books 1, 2, and 5 in particular).
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Post by FrostHawk on Sept 30, 2008 10:18:51 GMT -5
You know what? No offence intended to Alberto, but I really don't care who the artist for the cover of books 29-32 is: I'm just glad they are being released at all? And, seriously, if Alberto was upset about not being the artist for book 29, shouldn't he have taken it up with Mongoose and NOT posted it on a public internet forum? If I did something like that against my place of employment I wouldn't have a job there anymore. you're speaking too smart without having read and understood 100% the whole thread in LGL
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Post by Doomy on Sept 30, 2008 10:55:39 GMT -5
I find Gary Chalk's work to be "weird", and i mean this in the most positive way: kinda reminds me of John Blanche's work for the Sorcery! series, but totally different (someone who has read both might see what i mean ;P) Absolutely. I've felt the same way for years.
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Post by crymson on Sept 30, 2008 17:27:33 GMT -5
You know what? No offence intended to Alberto, but I really don't care who the artist for the cover of books 29-32 is: I'm just glad they are being released at all? And, seriously, if Alberto was upset about not being the artist for book 29, shouldn't he have taken it up with Mongoose and NOT posted it on a public internet forum? If I did something like that against my place of employment I wouldn't have a job there anymore. you're speaking too smart without having read and understood 100% the whole thread in LGL I don't speak Italian either, so cannot read it. Regardless, I stand by my comment. If he was 'quite unhappy' with the decision as you said thern he should have approached Mongoose, not discussed it on a public forum.
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Post by Samildanach on Oct 2, 2008 9:53:29 GMT -5
I find Gary Chalk's work to be "weird", and i mean this in the most positive way: kinda reminds me of John Blanche's work for the Sorcery! series, but totally different (someone who has read both might see what i mean ;P) It hadn't occurred to me before, but I do see what you mean now. They're both very distinctive; indeed, both are quite ugly when it comes to people (I love Gary Chalk's work, but his humans are ugly). I'd definitely opt for Gary Chalk over the Sorcery! person though. In fact, I'd love to have Gary Chalk design a tattoo for me. That would, to risk sounding like a teenager, rock.
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Post by zipp on Oct 4, 2008 11:22:07 GMT -5
The renaissance era comment was interesting. I do think it's correct, as well. The new LW world does have something a bit more modern about it. I think this isn't just the art. In Joe Dever's descriptions, we get a sense of a more accessible nobility and a more connected infrastructure (both physical and political) than we did in the older books, taking away from the medieval setting.
Then, too, with the addition of more character to the king and Madelon (and other supporting cast), the books feel less lonely. I liked the lonliness of the original setting, myself. I'm not complaining, mind, just commenting on differences and thinking on them.
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