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Post by Agrarvyn on Jun 6, 2008 4:58:07 GMT -5
That's the problem with Mary Sues. They tend to run off with the plot, even in a situation where everyone else is pretty much just as powerful.
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Post by greywolf on Jun 6, 2008 5:35:56 GMT -5
*cough* Most of the Forgotten Realms *cough*
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Post by Maerin on Jun 6, 2008 9:03:18 GMT -5
Well, saying that individual Forgotten Realms stories "run off with the plot" in the fashion Agrarvyn indicates would require that there be some overarching cohesive and ongoing plot in Forgotten Realms to begin with...
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Post by greywolf on Jun 6, 2008 9:40:02 GMT -5
It was more an allusion not to the stories, but to the characters in Faerun itself, major NPCs for instance. So as for the dig at the Realms lack of storytelling, that's a whole different subject by itself.
You don't need players to save the Realms from any kind of big or little bad, because you have Elminster, the Knights of Myth Drannor, Khelben Blackstaff, Alustriel, any of the 7 Sisters and so on and so forth.
Any of those characters can easily do the job, rather like happened in the West Watch.
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Post by Agrarvyn on Jun 6, 2008 10:32:05 GMT -5
Alustriel is one of the Seven Sisters. Then again, as Elminster says, drafting in an epic NPC to help you is living invoking the USA, USSR or United Nations to help with, say, Iraq. It may get the job done, but it causes far more political upheaval and backlash than is at all necessary. The FR epic NPCs are all involved in a shadowy game of play and counter-play, so as not to overwhelm the Realms. Anyway, I use a similar excuse each time my players want to draft in anyone blatantly too powerful for the mission in hand
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Post by Maerin on Jun 6, 2008 11:01:05 GMT -5
Anyway, I use a similar excuse each time my players want to draft in anyone blatantly too powerful for the mission in hand You are more merciful a GM than I am. I tend to let my players learn the hard way the first time. Everyone remembers that first burned finger...
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Post by greywolf on Jun 6, 2008 11:36:24 GMT -5
I tip my big black hat to the both of you, but more to Maerin, since he's a GM after my own dark heart. Quite rightly said, regarding that burned finger.
Or smoking hole in the ground where Tilverton used to be.
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Post by Agrarvyn on Jun 6, 2008 13:04:30 GMT -5
Heh. You bunch of meanies! Then again, my players already moan at me enough for the tough encounters, so I've got to be nice occasionally
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Post by Maerin on Jun 6, 2008 17:36:09 GMT -5
Heh. You bunch of meanies! Then again, my players already moan at me enough for the tough encounters, so I've got to be nice occasionally No wonder you switched sides to play a bad guy here. Such a soft heart needs an outlet somewhere, I guess.
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Post by Agrarvyn on Jun 6, 2008 19:40:25 GMT -5
Heheh. Well, I'm told that I play Lawful Good and Lawful Evil rather too well, though my favourite non-evil alignment is definitely Neutral Good. (So far, North Star was Chaotic Good, Tyrenis was Neutral Good and Dark Moon is Lawful Evil.)
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Post by greywolf on Jun 7, 2008 3:45:41 GMT -5
I really liked Tyrenis
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Post by Agrarvyn on Jun 7, 2008 9:36:05 GMT -5
Thank you Grey Wolf. It was really rather fortunate that Tyrenis fell into the "benevolent grandfather" archetype, because if he was angered, he could probably take down any non-epic character in combat (The Kai Grand Masters are a completely different issue of course!)
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Post by greywolf on Jun 8, 2008 6:23:59 GMT -5
*chuckles*
I think it was fortunate in that respect.
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Post by Agrarvyn on Jun 8, 2008 15:35:14 GMT -5
That's probably a famous trope and could be found on tvtropes.org if only I knew what they'd called it
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Post by Beowuuf on Jun 8, 2008 15:56:39 GMT -5
probably "the gandalf"
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