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Post by Aguila Saber on May 14, 2008 12:25:43 GMT -5
There are female Kai in the Skull of Agarash. As mentioned this is good proof.
Also according to the Maganmund Companion every child male and female in Sommerlund is trained for warfare and to stand against the threat of the forces of the Dark God.
There are most certainly female Kai in both the first order and in the second order.
Mores are different in other lands, but Sommelund is not openly discrimating career opportunities based on gender. (except perhaps for the king.)
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Post by Al on May 14, 2008 14:32:44 GMT -5
Mores are different in other lands, but Sommelund is not openly discrimating career opportunities based on gender. (except perhaps for the king.) There is at least one African state where the King can be a woman. Also, thier are two types of Queens. One is a Queen consort, which was what the Queen Mother was before she became the Queen Mother, which is the wife of the reigning king. Also, there is a Queen soveriegn, which is a head of state and equal to a King, such as our current Queen, Elizabeth the Second, Queen of Canada and her Other Realms. I am not sure what the laws on sucession are in sommerland, but it could allow for Queen soveriegns.
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Post by Beowuuf on May 14, 2008 14:55:02 GMT -5
I think one of the newsletters said that Imelda would be queen after
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Post by Black Cat on May 14, 2008 15:42:27 GMT -5
I think one of the newsletters said that Imelda would be queen after Yeah, but that's because her brother died. Otherwise, it is always the first son of the King that becomes the next ruler. One of the Newsletters says that only once in its history Sommerlund had a ruling Queen.
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Post by Al on May 15, 2008 1:59:14 GMT -5
So the system is the same as the Canadian and Commonwealth monarchy then eh? I think some Scandinavian systems allow for first born, regardless, and like I said there is at least one African state where females can be crowned king.
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Post by writingwolf on May 15, 2008 17:24:17 GMT -5
On the front pages of the NO books, there are female Kai depicted, so I assume there are. Plus it would be in keeping for Sommerlund to be an enlightened nation to allow women into the ranks.
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Post by Agrarvyn on May 17, 2008 7:47:07 GMT -5
It does say in the MC that children of the households of the Sommerlund Knights of the Realm would be sent to train with the Kai Lords, but then it also mentions a Kai Lord protecting his realm. Perhaps JD was using the gender-neutralised "he" in that case, especially considering that the LWd20 RPG has a female Kai Lord on the front.
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Post by Maerin on May 18, 2008 12:55:54 GMT -5
Well, strictly speaking, refering in that context to only one Kai Lord (even if the descriptive context might imply a more general meaning) does permit the usage of a gender-specific pronoun without actually implying any greater meaning. That's why we can accept that all unnamed character references described singularly in White Wolf RPG products are not all women (White Wolf tends to use gender-feminine pronouns in such cases).
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Post by Ghost Bear on May 19, 2008 7:15:46 GMT -5
(White Wolf tends to use gender-feminine pronouns in such cases). A lot of RPGs do - there are more than a few of them in the LW D20 RPG for instance, and the Star Wars Knights Of The Old Republic instruction manuals (this game is based on the D20 rules) also uses them. I've always been kind of curious as to why - the only possible explanation is to attract female gamers, but it would seem to be an ineffective way of doing it. -GB
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Post by Agrarvyn on May 19, 2008 8:39:03 GMT -5
I think the advert at the bottom currently speaks for itself: "Pro Feminist Men"
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Post by Aguila Saber on Jul 30, 2008 14:19:12 GMT -5
The Magnamund Companion:
"With the threat of war so constant, every child (girl and boy) was trained in the use of weapons from an early age. This training was organized by the barons and took place in the grounds of their castles. Any child who displayed a natural instinct for combat was placed into the household of a Knight of the Realm, where they were groomed for the Sommlending army."
Everyone is trained to use weapons from an early age.
Sommerlund needs every able hand they can get and no doubt the above also applied to the Kai when the Kai Monastery was founded.
The one thing speaking against women as Kai is that it is a Kai Monstery, but otherwise everything I've seen about Sommerlund implies that talented females would indeed get to join the order.
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Post by fordy on Jul 30, 2008 19:16:45 GMT -5
Speaking as a contributor to the pantheon, I can assure you there are female Kai, certainly after MS 5050. During this period LW is attempting to rebuild the Kai Order, and any, male or female, that demonstrate latent Kai abilities are eligible for Kai training. Fact is that Sommlending born children are the only individuals throughout Magnamund who have the potential to become Kai warriors - a fact that is a key plot point of The Dragons of Lencia, which you'll be able to see when it is eventually released.
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Post by wildhorse on Jul 31, 2008 11:05:37 GMT -5
I am also of the opinion that there will be female Kai. Damsels in distress are popular figures in fairy tales. But I am sure some of the Sommlending women can use weapons, as AS pointed out earlier about the weapons training.
And if a large number of Sommlending women can use weapons, surely there will have been a few who are exceptionally good enough to be selected as Kai.
I don't believe that the God Kai will have been biased to exclude women from receiving the blessed potential of the Kai talent.
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Post by Black Cat on Jul 31, 2008 11:15:55 GMT -5
Fact is that Sommlending born children are the only individuals throughout Magnamund who have the potential to become Kai warriors Hmmm... Then, the new Monastery on the Southern Continent of Magnamund will not be populated by local people but by Sommlending immigrants... Interesting... Hey, Fordy, do you know when Mongoose will release the novels?
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Post by NAK Orson on Jul 31, 2008 15:30:50 GMT -5
Doesn't the LW RPG Cover shows both a male and female dressed in Kai Outfit? I don't have a copy of the book on me atm. Can someone please confirm?
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